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Who is Col. Danny Bubp?

Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 06:07:37 AM PDT

Crossposted at Wampum.
Yesterday, as all the blogosphere, Left and Right, now knows, first-term Ohio Congresswoman Jean Schmidt offered these words as she stood in the well of the House:

Ms. Schmidt: Yesterday I stood at Arlington National Cemetery attending the funeral of a young marine in my district. He believed in what we were doing is the right thing and had the courage to lay his life on the line to do it. A few minutes ago I received a call from Colonel Danny Bop, Ohio Representative from the 88th district in the House of Representatives. He asked me to send Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message, that cowards cut and run, Marines never do. Danny and the rest of America and the world want the assurance from this body - that we will see this through.

Of course, as we all know as well, Schmidt's personal attack on the Hon. Congressman (and two-time war veteran from Pennsylvania) sent the House floor into a well-deserved meltdown, with Democrats shutting down the body until Schmidt withdrew her words.

But an unanswered question remains, who is this Colonel Danny Bubp, and why does his opinion matter so much to Ms. Schmidt?  One would assume that he would possess at least as much military experience as the man he essentially termed a coward, in response to the Congressman's call for the troops in Iraq to return home within six months.

Well, we do know that Colonel Bubp is an Ohio state representative, in fact, from a district contained within Ohio's 2nd Congressional district, which Ms. Schmidt won in a special election earlier this year.  And how did he win that seat for the first time in 2004?

His own words from the local paper:

Danny Bubp, a West Union attorney facing retired educator Cy Richardson for the Ohio House of Representatives seat here, believes that's why he'll win.

Bubp, who grew up in Sardinia, calls the 88th district a "good Christian community" that's against abortion and same-sex marriage and protective of its right to bear arms.

"That's the kind of district I want to serve in," said Bubp, 50.

And his prior "political experience"?

Colonel Bubp, a 1984 graduate of the (4th tier) Ohio Northern College of Law, spent all but one of the past twenty years in private practice.  The single foray into public service during that time was a year as a county judge.

But Col. Bubp didn't waste his legal education.  His most recognized pro-bono work was to fight the removal of Ten Commandment monuments from public grounds.  
Here he is, receiving the coveted "Ten Commandments Leadership Award" with none other than Congresswoman Schmidt herself.

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And that extensive military experience Ms. Schmitz determined was vastly superior to Congressman Murtha's?  According to his own biography at his campaign website:

Military Service :
1978 - Commissioned as Second Lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps

1978-Present - Continues to serve in United States Marine Corps Reserve as a Colonel of Marines

1997-Present - Serves on the staff at the National Defense University, Washington, D.C. as Team Leader for the Reserve Component National Security Course

2003 - Graduate of Naval War College, Newport, Rhode Island

2003 - Served on the J-3 Staff at United States Central Command, Tampa, Florida for General Tommy Franks in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom

Nearly thirty years in the Marines, and Col. Bubp missed every single military engagement?  Southeast Asia?  Beirut?  Grenada?  Panama?  Gulf War?  The Balkans?  Somolia?   He even missed embassy service in Paris!

But that hasn't stopped Col. Bubp from attacking the character of decorated veterans in the past.  Col. Budp campaigned for Schmidt in her race against Iraq veteran Paul Hackett in the special election:

Later in the afternoon, the Schmidt campaign staged a "Support Our Troops" rally in Union Township's Veterans Memorial Park, where about 50 people gathered under the park's Vietnam-era medical evacuation helicopter to hear speech-making by Schmidt and some of her supporters, including Glenda Kiser of Amelia, the mother of Sgt. Chuck Kiser, an Army reservist killed last year in Iraq.

The event was billed as a rally to honor veterans and local residents serving in Iraq, but much of the speech-making - particularly from State Rep. Danny Bubp, R-West Union - consisted of criticizing Hackett, an Iraq war veteran, for his differences with President Bush and the administration's policies in Iraq.

Bubp - who, like Hackett, is a Marine Corps Reserve officer - stood under the helicopter's wings in his military dress uniform, saying that the one thing military officers do not do "is criticize their commander in chief."

"I served for eight years under a president who loathed the military but we never said a word about it," Bubp said

Of course, there's "served" and "served", though it looks as though Col. Bubp has just been "served up" by his favorite Congresswoman as fodder in the war against true American patriots.

Bon appetite.

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  •  If this doesn't get recommended (3.95 / 48)

    Post it again tomorrow.

    And send this to Olbermann, the BBC, NPR (who does read our stuff), the Daily Show, the Colbert Report, Frank Rich, Media Matters, Air America (Randi and Al in particular), Tim Russert, Hardball, and ... yes, I kid you not ... Scarborough.

    Yeah, the last few are crapshoots, but Scarborough has been taking field trips off the GOP reservation for stuff like this lately.

    •  Agreed (4.00 / 2)

      If only half the diaries posted (God anyone?) were as useful.

      Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

      by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 06:41:19 AM PDT

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    •  Thank you for your kind words... (3.98 / 96)

      Though it was obvious, by the number of times I misspelled Bubp, I needed more coffee this morning.
      •  Have a 4 (none / 0)

        for an excellent diary (recommended also). And I'm raising my cup of joe virtually to your having another cup.

        The ultimate security is your understanding of reality. (H. Stanley Judd)

        by xxo23o on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:15:20 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you... (none / 0)

          Though I'd love if someone might know of a candidate looking for an oppo researcher ;-).  I have a little experience (resume)...

          But I'll still take the cuppa joe.

          •  Danny Bubp stands for: (4.00 / 6)

            Abortion
            I am pro-life and strongly support the fundamental rights of the unborn.  I oppose taxpayer funding of abortion, and I feel parental consent is necessary with such a procedure, at the least.

            Gun Rights
            Peaceful and law-abiding Ohio citizens should have the right to carry a concealed weapon.  This will lower the crime rate by giving criminals a second thought about commiting acts of violence.
            The right to bear arms is guarunteed by the second amendment and must be protected at the state level.  We should enforce the laws already in place, and should not try to place further restrictions on gun ownership.

            Lower Taxes and Smaller Government
            Ohio citizens now face one of the highest local tax burdens in the nation.  We need to limit spending and cut taxes to balance Ohio's budget and help businesses grow.

            Restoring Religious Freedom and Upholding Traditional Values
            I helped fight for the right of a school district to post the Ten Commandments against a lawsuit by the ACLU.  I stand opposed to expanded gambling in this state, as the economic and moral problems that come with it are far too great.  Marriage should be between a man and a woman, and Ohio can and should act to ensure the civil unions now available in Vermont are not recognized in Ohio because of the force of a legal challenge.

            ..bad spelling, obviously.

            http://www.geocities.com/...

            Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

            by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:21:01 AM PDT

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            •  this exchange continues to give me the chills.... (4.00 / 14)

              Sweating in his cell in the evening, Goering was defensive and deflated and not very happy over the turn the trial was taking. He said that he had no control over the actions or the defense of the others, and that he had never been anti-Semitic himself, had not believed these atrocities, and that several Jews had offered to testify in his behalf. If [Hans] Frank [Governor-General of occupied Poland] had known about atrocities in 1943, he should have come to him and he would have tried to do something about it. He might not have had enough power to change things in 1943, but if somebody had come to him in 1941 or 1942 he could have forced a showdown. (I still did not have the desire at this point to tell him what [SS General Otto] Ohlendorf had said to this: that Goering had been written off as an effective "moderating" influence, because of his drug addiction and corruption.) I pointed out that with his "temperamental utterances," such as preferring the killing of 200 Jews to the destruction of property, he had hardly set himself up as champion of minority rights. Goering protested that too much weight was being put on these temperamental utterances. Furthermore, he made it clear that he was not defending or glorifying Hitler.
              Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded Goering's observations that the common people can always be manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political leaders:

              We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.
              "Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

              "There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

              "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

              For the setting of this quote:  http://www.snopes.com/...

              •  Thanks for reminding us all. (none / 1)

                My local library's copy of Gilbert's Nuremberg Diary is a First Edition! Clearly not enough people have read it.
              •  H.L. Mencken made the same point in '39 (4.00 / 7)

                The Art of Selling War
                From the Baltimore Sun, May 9, 1939

                H. L. Mencken

                 The fact that all polls run heavily against American participation in the threatening European war is not to be taken seriously.  A secret poll taken in any of the countries principally concerned would show the same result precisely.  The overwhelming majority of Englishmen don't want war, and hope that it will never come again, and the same thing is true of the majority of Frenchmen, Germans, Italians, Poles, Russians, Roumanians and Serbs.  It was true of the same people down to August 2, 1914 and of Americans down to April 6, 1917.

                But wars are not made by common folk, scratching for livings in the heat of day; they are made by demagogues infesting palaces.  It is not necessary for these demagogues to complete the sale of war before they send the goods home, as a storekeeper must complete the sale of, say a suit of clothes.  They send the goods home first, and then convince the customer that he wants them.  History teaches that this is always very easy, for a number of reasons.  One is that the very unpopularity of war makes people ready to believe, when they suddenly confront it, that it has been thrust upon them.  They can't imagine wanting it themselves; ergo, it must have been willed by the other fellow.  But why don't they blame their own demagogues?  Because their own demagogues have been pretending, all the while, to be trying to prevent it.  This attempt is now being made, and in a large and heroic way, by MM Hitler, Mussolini and Chamberlain.  It is also being made by the Hon. Mr. Roosevelt.  Thus, when it fails, the other fellow is manifestly to blame.

                Another reason why peaceful people are so easily fetched by war is that they fear to be thought cowards.  Their very peacefulness is a suspicious fact, even in their own minds, and when they are challenged they try to get rid of it by playing brave.  This accounts for the extraordinary bloodthristiness, once war had begun, of pacifists, including especially the rev. clergy.  They still dislike war, but they don't want anyone to think that they dislike it because they are afraid of it; so they set up a howl for force without stint, and preach that he who dallies is a dastard and he who doubts is damned.

                But the main reason why it is easy to sell war to peaceful people is that the demagogues who act as salesmen quickly acquire a monopoly of both public information and public instruction.  They pass laws penalizing anyone who ventures to call them to book, and in a little while no one does it any more.  This happened at the time the United States entered the last World War, and it will happen again if the Hon.  Mr. Roosevelt manages to whoop up another one.  On the day war is declared the Espionage Act will come into effect, and all free discussion will cease.  No one will have access to the radio who is not approved by the White House, and no newspaper will be able to dissent without grave risk of denunciation and ruin.  Any argument against the war itself, and any criticism of the persons appointed to carry it on, will become aid and comfort to the enemy.  The war will not only become moral all over; it will become the touchstone and standard of morality.  This impeccability will extend at once to all acts and utterances of the Administration.  It will become treason to observe that the Hon. Mr. Wallace has failed to save the farmers, and treason tinged with heresy to argue that the Hon.  Mr. Ickes is a jackass.

                A few weeks of that razzle-dazzle will suffice to convert most people to the war and to intimidate and silence the stray recalcitrants who hold out.  All of us rationalize our necessities in this world, and one of the pressing necessities of war-time is to go along, or at all events, not to fall back.  It becomes harder and harder to resist, bot socially and psychologically.  The dissenter is not only suspected by all his neighbors; he also begins to suspect himself.

                Thus the job of demagogy is completed, and a brave and united nation confronts a craven and ignominious foe.  It is not until long afterward that anyone ventures to inquire into the matter more particularly, and it is then too late to do anything about it.  The dead are still dead, the fellows who lost legs still lack them, war widows go on suffering the orneriness of their second husbands, and taxpayers continue to pay, pay, pay.  In the schools children are taught that the war was fought for freedom, the home, and God.

                Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

                by Fatherflot on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 11:08:04 AM PDT

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            •  Bubp this! (none / 1)

              His most recognized pro-bono work was to fight the removal of Ten Commandment monuments from public grounds.  
              Here he is, receiving the coveted "Ten Commandments Leadership Award" with none other than Congresswoman Schmidt herself.

              Bubp loves the Second Amendment, but he apparently doesn't give a shit about the First.

              Fritzburgh An'at--Politics, Culture, and Whimsy from a Chipped Chopped Mind

              by Bob Quixote on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 10:42:11 AM PDT

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            •  Geocities (none / 1)

              OK, what kind of representative needs geocities.com (a free site) for his homepage? :)

              (I didn't even notice this first time around!)

              Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

              by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 11:34:19 AM PDT

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      •  spelling is hard work! (4.00 / 2)

        Weird names like that... y'know, when everyone says "asswipe", it's hard to get the silent 'B' at the beginning.

        I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:05:11 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for doing this, mbw (4.00 / 4)

        One more thing you might want to check out. During her primary, Schmidt lied and said Bupb had endorsed her.

        Did he really say this to her? Or is this another lie?

        This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

        by emptywheel on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 11:04:59 AM PDT

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        •  Hey, I saw that when I was doing my research... (none / 0)

          But couldn't come up with a second source or the editorials Bubp supposedly wrote to "clarify" his "non-endorsement" of her.  I should send out the Googling monkeys or someone with Lex-Nex capability.
          •  It wasn't an explicit clarification re: Schmidt (none / 0)

            See, for example, the Adam's Co. People's Record from 4/27/05:
            At last count, there are over a dozen individuals who have either announced their intention to run or are interested in becoming a United States Congressman. I would anticipate even more individuals deciding to become a candidate for this most important position.

            First, let me state that I am neither a candidate nor will I be endorsing anyone in the upcoming primary for this seat. My attention, energy and focus are on the budget process in Columbus and I am committed to doing the best job I can as your legislator.

            The reason I am addressing the congressional race in my column this week is because of the phone calls and e-mails I have received asking my thoughts on this race. I know most of those interested who are seeking this office. In fact, some of them helped me in last November's election and I have thanked those individuals for their support. Further, I have been contacted by most of the candidates and I wish them all the best in their race.

        •  I was just wondering that (none / 1)

          myself.  Has anyone actually spoken to him?  Has he come forward to explain why he made that statement and why he felt he had to make it through this woman?

          I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war. Abbie Hoffman

          by margaretc on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:30:55 PM PDT

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    •  bad IDEA (none / 0)

      read the rules

      reposting diaries is a no no

    •  Spread the word (none / 0)

      This really helps a lot and I'm posting some of the information on my blog as well.
    •  Send this to Ed Schultz too (none / 0)

      because he's hot and heavy with anything military.  That's especially true now since he'll be on Armed Forces Radio Network.
    •  I'm happy I opened this one.... (none / 0)

      so called Congresswoman Jean Schmidt is even more of a low life than I imagined.  Sent the link to Randi and Keith (I'm sure they got quite an abundance of e-mails on this one)...Schmidt is off to a good start...she just served up a really fit pitch and better duck quick.  These people just can't seem to get beyond a delusional world of half truths.
    •  Bubp violated Marine Corps Uniform Regulations? (none / 0)

      According to your post ..... Bubp wore his uniform AND SPOKE AT A POLITICAL RALLY ?!?!?!!?  That is a serious offense.

      MCO P1020.34F
      MARINE CORPS UNIFORM REGULATIONS

      CHAPTER 11:  LAWS AND DIRECTIVES

      1. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE DIRECTIVES PERTAINING TO UNIFORMS

      2. Implementing 10 U.S.C. 772, the President, by Executive Order 10554 of 18 August 1954, delegated to the Secretary of Defense the authority to prescribe regulations under which persons may wear the uniform. The following excerpts from DoD Directive 1334.1 of 11 August 1969 outline these regulations:

      "a. Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). THE WEARING OF THE UNIFORM IS PROHIBITED UNDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES:

      (1) At any meeting or demonstration which is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which the Attorney Generalof the United States has designated, pursuant to E.O. 10450, as amended as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under The Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means.

      (2) DURING OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE FURTHERANCE OF POLITICAL ACTIVITIES, PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT OR COMMERCIAL INTERESTS, WHEN AN INFERENCE OF OFFICIAL SPONSORSHIP FOR THE ACTIVITY OR INTERESTCOULD BE DRAWN.

      *How to Report Violations: *

      If you identify someone who is improperly wearing a Marine Corps uniform/awards/rank insignia, please contact the Inspector General for the Marine Corps at (703)614-1349 or the Uniform Board at the aforementioned phone number.

  •  Bupb wasn't her main...... (4.00 / 9)

    ....military attack dog in the OH-2 race. Those duties fell to one Eric Minnameyer. Minnameyer is made of the same cloth, a military officier who served in support in Iraq, he tried to swift boat Hackett during last year's campaign. I'm wondering why she wasn't able to get a quote from Minnameyer to read on the house of the floor and instead had to use Bupb for this attack.
  •  I expect Bubp's phone is ringing constantly right (4.00 / 8)

    now from reporters asking him to confirm the statement  made by Schmidt (her facial expression when they started booing her on the House floor was priceless, by the way)
    •  Post the pic? (none / 0)

      I'd like to see that, can you post a screen shot?

      www.dailykos.com is America's Blog of Record

      by WI Deadhead on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:32:52 AM PDT

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      •  I posted a screencap... (4.00 / 10)

        right when she started shouting to be heard over all the denunciations, as well as some info on Bubp's district last night on my site. In fact, I questioned his courage for sending a woman to do his dirty work, and for not stepping forward and taking responsibility for his words.

        BTW, Don't bet on Bubp's phone ringing off the hook -- AP called him a "Marine colonel" without any further qualifier. Unless a full transcript was posted in the MSM, expect his role in this to be quietly swept under the rug.

        ~~~~~~~
        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

        Blogesque

        by OhioLen on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:44:28 AM PDT

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        •  I wonder... (none / 0)

          ...if he has congressional aspirations of his own.  maybe he's trying to make a name for himself for a later campaign run?

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:29:43 AM PDT

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          •  Well, he's already a member... (none / 0)

            of the Ohio General Assembly, so he is a state congressman. In order to move up the ladder, he'd have to unseat fellow Republican Frau Blucher*, since he's in the same low-population, low-income, low-minority, low-education district.

            * (horse whinnys in the background)

            ~~~~~~~
            Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

            Blogesque

            by OhioLen on Sun Nov 20, 2005 at 06:53:58 AM PDT

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      •  Give Think Progress a "4" (4.00 / 3)

        Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

        by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:03:51 AM PDT

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        •  No shit (4.00 / 3)

          Schmidt couldn't be reached after the remarks, but her office e-mailed a letter she plans to send immediately to Murtha.

          "One thing I have learned in my weeks of service in Congress is that I have a lot to learn," Schmidt wrote. "I never intended any disparagement of you. I want you to know that I respect you for your service to the House and to our country."

          Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

          by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:08:58 AM PDT

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          •  Bullshit (4.00 / 19)

            She never meant it, my ass.  

            She meant to call him a coward.  Fuck her and her apology and the horse she rode in on and the horse her apology rode in on.

            She knew EXACTLY what she was doing.

            I hated Bush before it was cool.

            by daveriegel on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:03:33 AM PDT

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            •  Jeanie Schmidt is a good soldier (none / 1)

              Col. Danny Bubp? Uh...not so much.

              Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

              by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:08:09 AM PDT

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            •  in her book, she "won" (4.00 / 5)

              Think about it... the wingnuts who WANT to heard Murtha called a coward (and a traitor) will be falling all over themselves to tell her how brave she was to Speak Truth To Power, and open their wallets for her re-election campaign.

              Speaking of which, I'm getting Wetterling-feelings about Paul Hackett sometimes, like he should come back in 2006 and rip that House seat out of her filthy little hands instead of running for Senate.

              I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

              by Leggy Starlitz on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:08:26 AM PDT

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            •  She sure did (none / 1)

              That is a non-apology if I ever heard one.  I want her censured and booted to the curb.  
              If she donates her organs after she dies, then she might do some good on this earth.  I won't hold my breath for that.
              (Did I mention I'm really pissed?)

              War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

              by Margot on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 05:33:02 PM PDT

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          •  um, okay (4.00 / 3)

            So who DID she intend to disparage? Or did she mean to call him a coward, just not in a disparaging way? OR did she just write him to point out that she didn't owe him an apology? That's really what she said there.  

            Maybe the best thing for her to learn would be to keep her mouth shut. Although of course it is convenient how she lays this idiocy bare...

        •  I love her outfit (4.00 / 7)

          Wearing a Red, White, and Blue outfit complete with Stars & Stripes, how can anyone possibly doubt her integrity?

          "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

          "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -  Samuel Johnson

        •  mlw (none / 0)

          you might want to include the video link in your diary.  schmidt's "campanis moment" is truly must-see t.v.!

          here's a non-quicktime version:  

          http://www.canofun.com/...

          "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

          by Cedwyn on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 02:01:02 PM PDT

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      •  Pic of Schmidt (none / 1)

        over on moxiegrrrl.com taken during the speech. Also, Jesus' General has a rather unflatering (think wicked witch of the east)photo taken of her at some support our troops rally.
        •  The 'crazy bitch' herself (4.00 / 2)

          Remember this weirdo? She was the one who beat Paul Hackett in Ohio. Yeah, well, she decided to send a message, apparently from a Marine, to Congressman Murtha (a decorated Marine) that "cowards cut and run. Marines never do."

          The place went nuts. Her remark was stricken from the record and she came back from the break to "clarify" that they were not directed at anyone in particular. Right.

          Crazy bitch.


          Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

          by Scarce on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 02:43:07 PM PDT

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    •  I loved who was behind her... (4.00 / 2)

      My Congressman Mike Sodrel, covering his face!  I want Baron to run pictures of the two of them, haha.
    •  I think the Honorable (none / 1)

      Rep. Boop or Pyoob or whatever needs to hear from us.

      district88@ohr.state.oh.us

      Drop the HONORABLE gentleman a line.  

      I hated Bush before it was cool.

      by daveriegel on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:59:23 AM PDT

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      •  my own letter to Bupb (4.00 / 15)

        Dear Rep. Bupb,

        I am embarrased and ashamed by your comments as described by Representative Schmidt on the US House floor yesterday.  

        If your statements were misrepresented, I hope you will make that known publicly.  If they were accurate, you owe Rep. Murtha an apology.   You owe your constituents and all of the people of Ohio whom you and Rep. Schmidt embarrassed yesterday an apology.  

        I have never been so ashamed of an elected official from Ohio in my life.

        When will you people stop smearing the honor of anyone who disagrees with you about the war?  Those who want to bring the troops home are not anti-troops and it is disgraceful, shameful, and dishonorable for you and Rep. Schmidt to say so.

        Again, your comments, if they truly were yours, were not worthy of your position.

        I hated Bush before it was cool.

        by daveriegel on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:24:07 AM PDT

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        •  Here's my letter (4.00 / 19)

          Dear Rep. Bubp -

          I'm sorry to say that I was extremely disappointed in the remarks attributed to you by Rep. Jean Schmidt on November 18 ("A few minutes ago I received a call from Colonel Danny Bop, Ohio Representative from the 88th district in the House of Representatives. He asked me to send Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message, that cowards cut and run, Marines never do.").

          Presumably you are aware that Rep. Murtha is a retired Marine Colonel, whose service in the Marines during the Korean and Vietnam Conflicts as well as the decorations he earned probably should go a long way toward disputing any claim that the gentleman is a coward.  

          Now I recognize that the timing of your own period of service afforded few opportunities for you to serve in combat, but doesn't it strike you as a little odd that a Marine Colonel in your own situation would be denigrating a fellow Marine Colonel who has, to all intents and purposes, shown himself worthy of your respect?

          Giving you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps you weren't aware of Rep. Murtha's own comments and proposals on Iraq - that rather than an immediate withdrawal, he was urging a timed withdrawal and more particularly some semblance of planning around it which has heretofore appeared to be absent.  You may also have missed the fact that Gen. Casey appears to have done just that on November 18 - submitting a plan to Sec. Rumsfeld for orderly troop withdrawals from Iraq.

          I'm presuming that you also understand that there is a difference, both in the military and the civilian world, between "cowardice" and "prudence."  While you may recount heroic notions that "Marines never run," historical precedent and more importantly prudence dictates how battles and wars tend to end up being fought and how the victor and the loser are determined.  Sometimes it's considered a draw.

          By the pure black-and-white standards which Jean Schmidt applied to you by using this quote, the implication is that you strongly believe that the following are also cowards:  Pres. Clinton for withdrawing from Somalia, Pres. Reagan for withdrawing from Beirut, Pres. Nixon for withdrawing from Vietnam, Marines Gen. Oliver Smith, Col. Chesty Puller, Col. Raymond Murray, Col. Homer Litzernberg for the retrograde advance from the Chosin Reservoir, or going further back to Gen. Robert E. Lee who certainly withdrew from a number of battlefields when the battle wasn't to be won that day.  I honestly hope you don't believe this to be the case.

          Noted non-liberals like Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni (http://www.notinourname.net/...), Army Gen. William Odom (http://niemanwatchdog.org/...), and Peter Galbraith (http://www.nybooks.com/...), have all done some pretty well-reasoned and comprehensive analyses of what is actually going in Iraq, likely scenarios, and recommendations.  If you haven't read anything these gentlemen have written, I'd recommend it when you have time.  Peter Galbraith's perspective is particularly enlightened, although his own recommendations differ from those of the two Generals.

          As a Colonel, you understand the difference between tactics and strategies, and battles versus wars.  An inherent fundamental of conflict - whether warfare, social conflict, economics, or just about anything - is the understanding that battles are fought and decided upon within the context of one's perspective and judgement of the likely attainment the greater aim.  In the past, and pretty much ending with the Civil War's experiences (such as the Battle of Franklin, where 15 Confederate Generals were killed, wounded, or captured), senior officers entered into battle with their men and were therefore capable of understanding the fluidity of the battle as it raged within the context of their overall aim.  It was a prudent reason for their presence, as well as a courageous one.  With the advances in modern combat and communications, it's now considered prudent - and not cowardice - that dictates that senior officers not engage directly in battle with their men but instead remain in relatively safe areas where they can, through modern communications, monitor and advise during battle.

          The over-arching strategy is to remake the Middle East through an essential domino theory of democracy.  I'm sorry to say that historical precedent, lucid observations of the situation in the Middle East, and common sense dictate that this is a strategy whose possibility is so unlikely, even when measured in decades, that one can consider it to be impossible.  In any endeavor, you're probably aware that outcomes are determined not only by the combined effect of actions of various parties, both deliberate and incidental, but also by the greater environment.  The United States, while formidable in many endeavors, has very little control or influence over the actions of the majority of the participants in this endeavor, not to mention the environment itself.

          Consider that Pakistan has reverted to a dictatorship from a democracy (similar lapses have occurred since World War 2 in places like Greece after Gen. Van Fleet's successful intervention, South Korea which only relatively recently shook off its own dictatorship, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina and so on in the Monroe Doctrine-protectorate in our own backyard).  Iran had for awhile under Pres. Khatami shown evidence of small movements toward democracy and greater freedom.  These things happen for a variety of reasons.

          You don't fight wars based upon some over-arching theory that you choose not to understand or to question, and whose very veracity and likelihood of success can be called into question.  If any proponents of the "spread democracy through the Middle East" are confident enough to stake their financial fortunes on that bet, they're going to end up poor.  I would say that Peter Galbraith has discussed some of the most likely scenarios for Iraq's future, which unfortunately involve stronger relations with Iran, like it or not.

          As a member of two honorable services - the United States Marine Corps and public service in the Ohio House of Representatives, it's doubly disturbing that the nature of your comments as relayed by Rep. Schmidt are, at least to most people who heard them, deeply dishonorable and certainly not a good reflection on you as a representative of both the Marine Corps and the state of Ohio.  Unless the comments as relayed by Rep. Schmidt are not correct, I strongly urge you to do the honorable thing and to apologize to Rep. Murtha.

    •  Priceless? (none / 1)

      Her face isn't worth a plug nickel. When you look up ugly in the dictionary it has her picture in the definition. She looks like the north end of a cow going south even when she isn't being heckled.

      Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

      by dpc on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:15:08 AM PDT

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      •  Her face showed strange mix of confusion and fury (none / 0)

        I thought. Like she could not understand why they were booing her, and was pissed off they would efer  had the effrontery to do so to HER.
        •  I kid you not - (none / 0)

          - I think women like her are dangerously unbalanced.  They're like the female (straight or gay) equivalent of repressed/denied/inthecloset male homosexual fundies - there's something so pent-up in them, it's corroded the wiring somehow.

          This woman is just...OFF.  

          "There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi

          by hopesprings on Sun Nov 20, 2005 at 08:56:34 AM PDT

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  •  "Lie and Cheat Republicans" n/t (4.00 / 3)

  •  Bupb - didn't you violate regulations? (4.00 / 27)


    Bubp - who, like Hackett, is a Marine Corps Reserve officer - stood under the helicopter's wings in his military dress uniform, saying that the one thing military officers do not do "is criticize their commander in chief."

    emphasis added

    It is my understanding that the military is not supposed to wear their uniforms while involved in political activities. Or at least, they can only wear them if they're being used as the backdrop for the president or some other political speechifier, whose event they've been ordered to attend.

    Am I wrong? Or did Col Bupb violate the regulations here?

    America will never again be the land of the free... Until she again becomes the home of the brave.

    by Ducktape on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 06:37:12 AM PDT

    •  Does that apply to the Reserve? (4.00 / 6)

      I think he's right, that the UCMJ prohibits criticism of the civilian leadership of the military.  But does that apply to Reserve officers who are not on duty?  That'd be a big hole in the First Amendment, if patriotic civilians can't exercise their right to free speech.

      I can't expect to live in a democracy if I'm not prepared to do the work of being a citizen.

      by Dallasdoc on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 06:47:52 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know the rules. (4.00 / 25)

        But what's the implication of showing up in dress uniform, or for that matter walking around in everyday civilian life with that ridiculous buzz cut, and telling everyone you meet that you're a Marine officer?

        You just know this guy starts every conversation by letting everyone know that he's a Marine. And whenever there's credit or kudos to be collected by virtue of his "service," I'm sure he fairly laps it up. He'd be the first to tell you there is no "off duty" for a Marine reservist! Grr! Semper Fi! Yadda yadda.

        But there sure is "off duty" if it saves his ass from sanctions.

        •  If he were a real Marine... (4.00 / 46)

          He'd never be caught dead calling an honored veteran a "coward."

          Paul Hackett made this point on AAR's Majority Report last night.  He said that people who have fought to preserve freedom in this country tend to take it very seriously.  They might disagree with you, but would never doubt your right to speak your mind.

          These right-wing nutjobs piss on everything honorable about this country.  How dare they call themselves patriots?

          I can't expect to live in a democracy if I'm not prepared to do the work of being a citizen.

          by Dallasdoc on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:06:48 AM PDT

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          •  Right on... (4.00 / 2)

            "These right-wing nutjobs piss on everything honorable about this country.  How dare they call themselves patriots?"

            Truer words were never spoken.  Thanks, DallasDoc...you scored all 4's, I hope.

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. Will Rogers.

            by tomathawl on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:23:05 AM PDT

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      •  Free Speech (4.00 / 4)

        There is no limit on his speech, just a limit on it when he is wearing the uniform.  While thus clothed, he is representing the government.  I think I am OK with it if they just appear, even if they appear on the stand with the speakers.  But if they speak while wearing it, that should not be allowed at partisan events.

        My college history prof told a story of Joe McCarthy campaigning in uniform.  "Tail Gunner Joe" would appear at rallies and say, "I am wearing my unifrom so I can not address you right now.  But if I were not wearing it, here is what I would like to say to you..."

        www.dailykos.com is America's Blog of Record

        by WI Deadhead on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:41:38 AM PDT

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      •  I make it a point (4.00 / 28)

        to NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES criticize the President, SECDEF, or any other elected official while in uniform, whether on drill status or not.
        If you ask me in uniform what I think of the President, I think he's my Commander in Chief.
        The other 28 days of the month, I'm hell on wheels to these pathetic immoral incompetent flaming asshats.

        This is in marked contrast to conservatives in uniform who openly criticized Clinton during his tenure, including an officer of my acquaintance who openly fantasized about assassinating a sitting president and executing a coup against the government.

        "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

        by soonergrunt on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:02:38 AM PDT

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      •  Here Are The Rules. (4.00 / 3)

        http://www.marlowwhite.com/...

        And, no, uniforms should not be worn while personnel are expressing/supporting political causes.

        "You can tell the truth but you better have a fast horse." - Rita Mae Brown -8.38, -5.54

        by majcmb1 on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:15:27 AM PDT

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    •  If the event was a campaign event (4.00 / 2)

      then he MAY have violated military regulations.  DOD Directive 1344.10 "Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces on Active Duty," prohibits AD personnel from seeking or holding partisan elective office or taking part in campaigns for the same.
      This Bupb character seems to be a reservist.  I have found no DOD regulations or Marine Corps Orders that pertain to the political activities of reservists.  That doesn't mean that what he did was lawful.  It just means that I can't find a directive that I'm certain exists in regards to the wearing of military uniforms at political events.

      "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

      by soonergrunt on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:50:39 AM PDT

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      •  it wasn't a political event (4.00 / 3)

        at least, that's the story.  It was a "support our troops" event.  "Support our troops" in this case meaning "attack anyone who actually supports the troops."

        I believe his speech was prohibited because he was wearing a uniform.  And probably, this could be construed as a political event, so it was prohibited from him being there.  Maybe we should get Murtha to ask his commander why he isn't getting an article 15?  

        •  That's why I'm looking for a directive or order (4.00 / 2)

          Since it's not against the UCMJ for reservists to hold political office or campaign, I am looking for the order proscribing the wearing of the uniform at political events, in order to research the charge of violating a lawful general order or regulation.

          "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

          by soonergrunt on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:40:00 AM PDT

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          •  Army Regulation 670-1, ch. 1-10(j) n/t (4.00 / 2)

            "You can tell the truth but you better have a fast horse." - Rita Mae Brown -8.38, -5.54

            by majcmb1 on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 09:18:47 AM PDT

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            •  But the guy is a Marine, so AR 670-10 (none / 0)

              does not apply.

              "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

              by soonergrunt on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 03:02:22 PM PDT

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              •  GOT IT! (4.00 / 5)

                MCO P1020.3G
                Chapter 11, Para 11002:

                1.  Implementing 10 U.S.C. 772, the President, by Executive Order 10554 of 18 August 1954, delegated to the Secretary of Defense the authority to prescribe regulations under which persons may wear the uniform.  The following excerpts from DoD Directive 1334.1 of 11 August 1969 outline these regulations:

                a.  Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:

                (1) At any meeting or demonstration which is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which the Attorney General of the United States has designated, pursuant to E.O. 10450, as amended as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under The Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means.

                (2) During or in connection with the furtherance of political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest could be drawn.

                3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstration (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted.

                (4) When wearing of the uniform would tend to bring discredit upon the Armed Forces.

                (5) When specifically prohibited by regulations of the department concerned.

                "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

                by soonergrunt on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 03:19:42 PM PDT

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    •  Col. "Baghdad" Bubp...n/t (4.00 / 2)

      Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind. Therefore, send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. John Donne

      by scurrvydog on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 08:21:44 AM PDT

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  •  Heh... Colonel Bubpkiss... (4.00 / 22)

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:00:25 AM PDT

  •  Well written! (none / 1)

    Calm, to the point, no snarks. The best diary I've read all morning.  
  •  I'm soooo glad you posted this diary (4.00 / 6)

    Somewhere in all the confusion of yesterday I completely missed that Bubp was an Ohio rep. I thought Schmidt was reading from yet another "letter from the front," and that Bubp was currently serving in Iraq. I need to slow down and read more carefully. But part of my confusion, I think, was caused by Schmidt referring to Bubp as "Danny." It made it sound, to me, like "Danny" was a young soldier. I wonder if anyone else had this misperception?

    Anyway, thanks for the info and thanks for posting this.

    "Why do you have to be a nonconformist like everybody else?" --James Thurber

    by lulu57 on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:10:51 AM PDT

  •  Separated at birth (4.00 / 48)

    Danny Bubp and Pee-Wee Herman

    Jean Schmidt and Frau Bleucher from Young Frankenstein


    I live in my own little world...but it's okay. They know me here.

    by John Campanelli on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 07:11:35 AM PDT